SVP Paul Nolte Interviewed By Reuters 7.14.21 Pt. 2

Reuters interviews Paul Nolte, SVP & Sr. Portfolio Manager

Kingsview SVP Paul Nolte discusses the rotation back in to large growth.

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Nolte Notes 7.12.21

July 12, 2021

“We’re all mad here, I’m mad. You’re mad.” And so down the rabbit hole we go! Just when you think you have it all figured out, the economy and/or the markets throw you a curveball. Maddening, sometimes. But we are in a deranged time where everyone is a bit crazy. We celebrate huge employment gains, yet at the recent pace, it will take another seven months to regain the old employment peak. Job openings continue to grow as companies of all stripes can not find willing workers. Many “consumer-facing” businesses have shortened hours due to a lack of employees. The Federal Reserve believes easy money can solve this problem, so they keep rates at historically low levels while pumping over $100B into the markets every month. “When you have a hammer…”Goods are having a tough time getting to market and prices for nearly everything are rising. Many believe this will work itself out over the next year as companies fully staff up and supply chains are working properly again. Some wonder if the economy is permanently damaged. The coming week will have inflation, retail sales and sentiment indices released. The madness is not likely to get resolved this week!

Worries about the Fed “starting to think about thinking about” cutting back their bond purchases knocked down stocks for a day, but the “buy the dip” crowd piled back in on Friday, pushing stocks to yet another record and 14th weekly gain in the last 19 weeks. Yes, there are some chinks in the armor, but the easy monetary policy is what rules the day. Over those 19 weeks, 90% of the stocks within the SP500 remain above their long-term average price, however the last few weeks, barely 50% are above their short-term average price. Meaning stocks have rallied so strongly that any short-term pullback has done little to dent the long-term picture. Within the S&P500 industry groups, all but telecom are above their long-term average, so until the market “technical” begin to break down in a more meaningful way, the path of least resistance looks to be higher. Growth has been the big winner over the past few weeks as interest rates have declined. Could the rate decline be warning the markets that the best/fastest economic growth has passed? Potentially, however, we would like to see a few more indicators pointing that way before beginning to worry about the next downturn.

The yield curve flattening is a warning sign of slower economic growth. However, without a signification push higher in the yield differential between junk and treasury bonds, long-term worries are not yet heightened. Earnings season gets started this week, and there will be plenty of commentary about what companies are seeing in their “end markets” and their capacity to fill demand. Finally, comments regarding pricing and inflationary pressures could also impact bond yields, pushing them back up if investors believe those pressures are more than just “transitory” as the Fed currently believes.

The quick rotation between “growth” and “value” has been driven by changes in interest rates. As interest rates rise, value does well. As rates fall, growth does well. Both are tied to the re-opening of the economy. If investors believe that the re-opening is going well and pricing pressures are building, value does well. If investors believe the best of the economic growth is now behind us and we are heading back to the recent average growth of 2%ish, then growth will do well. From a long-term perspective, growth is very overvalued, with various companies selling at their highest price to earnings multiples going back to 2000. While value is also expensive in absolute terms, relative to growth, it is about as cheap as it has been going back to the late 1990s. We believe that over the next few years, the overall market will struggle to provide meaningful gains, but that value should shine relative to growth as the economy slowly works its way back to “normal”.

Interest rates have been driving the markets as well as various parts of the markets for the past nine months and that is not likely to change. Hence, we will be watching yield differences between various asset classes for clues as to when markets are likely to make a significant shift. Not yet in the cards but watching closely!

The opinions expressed in the Investment Newsletter are those of the author and are based upon information that is believed to be accurate and reliable but are opinions and do not constitute a guarantee of present or future financial market conditions.


Nolte Notes 6.2.21

June 1, 2021

What was Hollywood’s six-million-dollar man is now Washington’s six-billion-dollar man. Inflation impacts everything! The new budget rollout late on Friday will be the starting point for wrangling about deficits (do they matter?), spending programs (remember shovel ready?) and initiatives the current administration would like to put forward. An interesting provision is an increase in capital gains tax rates that would be retroactive to April. While many are wringing their hands about the proposals, what gets passed, should make for some interesting beach reading this summer. Back at the economy, the inflationary figures continue to run “hot” as the economy continues to lurch toward a full re-opening. Supplies channels are still not operating correctly and are unlikely to get back to normal before year end. Employment is getting better as the weekly jobless claims’ numbers fell again last week. The coming data dump for the first week of June will include the “official” jobs report that should see some improvement over last month’s disappointing figures.

The markets continue to chug along, even in the face of data that historically would have had the markets falling. Higher inflation and large job gains are generally a recipe for hiking interest rates. However, looking at the bond market, you would have to shake a few traders to get them to move. Ten-year treasury rates remain below their March peak, and “risky” high yield bonds have traded well. Investors are amazingly comfortable with a Federal Reserve that has been buying large quantities of Treasury securities every week. Along with a commitment to keep interest rates lower for longer, investors have little choice but to buy equities to get any kind of return. That has pushed valuations of the equity markets to extremely high levels, rivaling those of 1929 and 2000. What is currently missing is a reason to sell. Until the Fed begins to discuss withdrawing from their purchase program, or we begin to see investors move out of risky portions of the markets, the momentum is still on the bull’s side and stocks can get pricier still. The warm sun calls and living is easy…for now.

After a very rough first quarter, bond investors have been rewarded with “staying the course” as returns have been positive in each of the last two months. Bonds have even given stocks a run for their money since late April, providing essentially the same return without the daily swings. If there are concerns in the bond market, it is that the bond model has swung negative, indicating the direction for interest rates may be higher in the coming weeks. The model has been negative much of this year and even as rates have moderated, they really have not dropped too far from their March peaks. Commodity prices are likely to be the key driver for interest rates going forward.

The markets have been swinging back and forth between growth and value for much of the past six months, however value has been the “winner” overall, as it has been two steps forward, one step back for value stocks. These are the parts of the markets that will benefit from the continued opening of the economy as we go from virtual meetings to in person, from FaceTime to face-to-face. There have been and will be plenty of bumps along the way, however the differences in valuations between these two asset classes tends to favor value ahead of growth. Comparing technology’s performance vs. nearly every other S&P500 sector shows technology’s performance peaking in the third quarter of last year and underperforming since. Even comparing technology to international, shows a similar relationship. The rotation away from technology is hard for investors to do, as the allure of high growth keeps them from moving. However, the valuation on technology stocks in general is well ahead of their historical norms, while valuations of other sectors and asset classes remain near or below historical norms.

“Sell in May and go away” is a Wall Street adage that historically shows the markets doing poorly in the summer. However, the last few years it would be better to hold the stocks and just go away. Will this year be any different? Or will the Fed keep the good times rolling with as easy monetary policy? Stay tuned.

The opinions expressed in the Investment Newsletter are those of the author and are based upon information that is believed to be accurate and reliable but are opinions and do not constitute a guarantee of present or future financial market conditions.


Nolte Notes 5.10.21

May 10, 2021

“Jobs, jobs everywhere and not one to be had”. With apologies to Samuel Coleridge, the jobs report on Friday was in stark contrast to the news earlier in the week of large drops in weekly jobless claims. Employment reports embedded in various survey data also indicated that payroll gains would be close to 1 million, not just a quarter of that guess. Given the huge whiff, it would not be a surprise to see stocks take a header and drop a few percentages. However, they rose nearly 1% as investors feel the monetary spigots will remain wide open, fueling further stock gains and potentially higher inflation along the way. Excuses for the miss abound, from lingering fears about covid while heading back to work, schools still in hybrid and parents needing to hang around the house while kids are home. Finally, some point to the generous unemployment programs that are keeping potential employees at home until at least September, when the benefits are set to expire. Of course, the weaker report emboldened others to push for even more benefits.

The economy is in a strange place. Manufacturing is running full out and having trouble finding “stuff” needed to make their “stuff” (hence the rising prices on various inputs like steel, copper, grains, etc.). Services are beginning to come online as restrictions ease. Yet they are having trouble finding workers and still have capacity restrictions and higher prices for their needs (like jet fuel and foodstuffs). Housing is booming as many are leaving the larger cities and heading to the ‘burbs. Lack of building (and higher lumber/copper prices) has pushed up home prices at a pace last seen in ’07. GDP growth was over 6%, yet the calls for more stimulus and keeping the Fed’s rate policy in place were heard following the report. The key question is whether the combination of the enormous stimulus package (as well as the one proposed) and higher input prices for all sorts of goods will indeed be “transitory” or much more lasting than is presently assumed. Inflation in the financial markets have been deemed a good thing, however now that it is spilling over into the “real economy”, it could pose problems for officials.

Bond investors cheered the poor employment report, as they believe the easy monetary policy will continue for longer than expected. Since hitting 1.74% in mid-March, the 10-year Treasury yield has eased to 1.60%, trading in a very narrow range. If the bond market is indeed worried about inflation, it is not yet showing up in yields. Even the spread between short and long-term bonds has contracted when it would be expected to expand as the economy heats up. Investors in low-grade corporate bonds are not worried either, as high yield rates are their closest to Treasury yields ever, meaning the margin of default risk has never been lower.

Even with the much lower-than-expected job growth last month, the “re-opening” trade in the market continues to lead the way. Small US stocks and large US value have been out in front much of the year and have regained their leadership roll over the past two weeks. The dollar has weakened as well, allowing international investments to lead their US counterparts. A concentrated portfolio of US technology stocks has been the big winner over the past decade, starting in the depths of the financial crises of 2008 and (likely) culminating with the rollout of the vaccine late last year. Investors are paying a hefty premium for growth, as the average price to earnings for growth is 30x, 50% higher than that for value stocks. Both are at historically high levels, but for those that need to always be fully invested, the near historical difference between the two would argue that investors should be buying value and selling growth. The “reversion to the mean” trade would help investors who have a diversified portfolio of large/small/international holdings perform better than the averages, which are still dominated by large growth names.

The circular argument of “why are stocks going up? Because people are buying. Why are they buying? Cause stocks are going up”, will come to an end at some point. There are not yet any hints that stocks are going to do much more than correct their torrid run this year. A large “wow” drop is not yet in the cards. Still scanning the horizon for signs though…

The opinions expressed in the Investment Newsletter are those of the author and are based upon information that is believed to be accurate and reliable but are opinions and do not constitute a guarantee of present or future financial market conditions.


SVP Paul Nolte Interviewed on Global Banking and Finance 4.6.21

Kingsview SVP Paul Nolte discusses employment, economically sensitive cyclicals and small caps.

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Nolte Notes 3.22.21

March 22, 2021

The days are longer than the nights and the weather is beginning to warm up. Baseball starts in 10 days! Summer is just around the corner. The economic “issue” is that inflation is beginning to heat up as well. Getting lumber or copper for homebuilding or gas for your car is costing a whole lot more than a year ago. As a result, interest rates are rising and pushing the Fed to recognize that an ill wind that blows does nobody good. Inflation, in the words of the Fed, may be transitory, but for how long? Expectations are for an economy to be blowing hot during the summer as economies open around the world. With all the stimulus and people going back to work with extra money in their wallets, inflation may be around for something more than a transitory period. To be fair, the Fed has pulled the punch bowl from the party well ahead of things getting out of hand, but this time wants to wait until they start seeing the party really rolling before raising rates.

Last week’s economic data was less than stellar, but the key report will not be showing up until April’s jobs report. The weekly jobless data is stuck in low gear, without much change since Halloween. However, the continuing claims are about double that of early 2019 and about two-thirds of the peak in 2008/09. Other data points are indicating the economy is healing, albeit very slowly. The coming jobs report will be informative as to the type of jobs coming back. In early March, the jobs report showed a large pick-up in hospitality jobs, restaurant, hotel, and bars. The trend is expected to continue as various states are loosening the restrictions of the past six months or so. Commodity prices are beginning to roll over a bit, energy prices have dropped from their recent highs and agriculture prices are down for March. So, while inflation indices could continue to rise in the months ahead, some prices are beginning to decline. As vaccinations increase and economies open, the main debate is how much pent-up demand is out there. Many are hungry to get out, others remain cautious. Trying to guess human behavior after this year is a fool’s errand. We will watch how things unfold rather than trying to guess.

The direction of interest rates has been the focus of investors over the past month as rates on the 10-year bond is now at the highest level in over a year. However, looking back at the 10-year yield, rates have been in a range between 1.50% and 3% since mid-2011. Before collapsing to under 0.60% last summer, the yield on 10-year bonds was near 2%. The concern today is that inflation is going to spike, and the Fed will have to step in to raise rates. The Fed has stepped in early, anticipating the inflation that never came. Today, they want to see inflation before beginning to tighten rates. They should be on the sidelines until sometime in 2022.

The battle between growth and value continues to rage during March and has been dependent upon the direction of interest rates. When rates rise, growth stocks falter. When rates ease, growth races higher. Growth stocks are all about future expectations for earnings that get discounted back to a price today. As rates increase, that discount rate also increases, pushing today’s value lower. More cyclical stocks that are tied to economic growth benefit from a better economy. They tend to be very leveraged to economic growth, doing very well as the economy recovers and booms, and collapsing when the economy hits a recession. We have been concerned that growth stocks have “discounted” every possible bit of good news in their price, so any change could mean much lower prices if those expectations are not met. While not necessarily as egregiously priced as the tech bubble in 2000, many growth stocks are still priced for perfection and could fall dramatically if those expectations are not met. Meanwhile, little is expected of the consumer related stocks in the face of the pandemic. As the economy opens, many will do very well as consumers return and spend money. That rotation from growth to value is likely to continue in the weeks/months ahead as people start to feel better about mingling with others.

Interest rates are likely to continue to rise as economic growth should also rise dramatically over the summer months. While that growth may be temporary, investors will still fret about potentially higher inflation and a Fed that may begin to tighten monetary policy and push interest rates higher still.

The opinions expressed in the Investment Newsletter are those of the author and are based upon information that is believed to be accurate and reliable but are opinions and do not constitute a guarantee of present or future financial market conditions.


CIO Scott Martin Interviewed on Fox Business News 3.16.21

Kingsview CIO Scott Martin discusses new taxes and regulations, and how small business may be impacted.

Program: Cavuto Coast to Coast
Date: 3/16/2021
Station: Fox Business News
Time: 12:00PM

DAVID ASMAN: President Biden reportedly planning the first major tax hike in almost thirty years. There was one under Obama. I guess they don’t consider that to be major, but the market doesn’t seem to be responding. Why not? Let’s bring in Scott Martin and Brian Wesbury. Scott, first to you. I think so far, the market is more happy about all of the ends of the lockdowns we just talked about. Even California is now ending a lot of its lockdowns. They’re more focused on that than they are the rising costs of doing business because of tax hikes. What do you think?

SCOTT MARTIN: Yeah, I agree, David. And let’s face it, some of the high, lets say, from some of the spending needs to wear off, too. But you’re right, I think eventually the market will come to grips with tax hikes. Now, maybe there’s one thing too going on, David, where maybe they think some of this stuff is just, say, pomp and circumstance and won’t get all the way through. But the reality is this. If you look at companies going forward-facing higher taxes, that’s definitely going to hurt jobs, but also maybe make companies more efficient, obviously drive up productivity, drive up revenue per employee. So there’s maybe some good things that could come of this. But by and large, when they set in, if they are draconian, as they seem, that could definitely impact stock price.

ASMAN: Now, Brian, I’m not too worried about the wealth tax, honestly, because I think that despite all the problems it could cause, it’s unconstitutional. It would go to the Supreme Court, take years to deal with and also Americans, It’s just un-American. People don’t want tax police digging up their backyard, looking for buried gold and and jewelry and pictures and so forth. So it’s just it’s just a nasty tax that I don’t think will pass the muster. But when I look at the fact that they’re thinking of paring back and I’m quoting from an article here, they’re thinking of paring back tax preferences for so-called pass-through businesses. Most businesses in America are passed

through businesses. There’s a lot of people who are small business owners who who pour their income back into their — they pay their profit in terms of income tax and they pour their money back in from their profits back into their business. They’re not millionaires, even though it may appear so on paper.

BRIAN WESBURY: Right. Right. I mean, this is absolutely correct. And I want to, you know, ditto Scott for what he said. Except for one thing, I do not believe tax hikes have any positive impact on the economy or productivity or job creation. None, zero, nada. And so then to go to this pass-through tax, you know, you either pay taxes at the business level or you pay them at the individual level. And so if there is pass-through income, individuals pay the tax. And so if you start, you tax it in both places, you’re now double taxing. And that really harms growth over time. One of the things that I think the market is looking at today is, look, we just spent one point nine trillion on top of about four trillion last year. We’re talking about spending two to four trillion more and hiking taxes. The tax hikes won’t go into effect until next year. The initial phase of borrowing on our credit card to spend actually boost economic growth and profits. So that helps the market. And so what we have is kind of a medium to long term problem, while in the short term, short term, we get to live with a sugar with the sugar high.

ASMAN: Let me let Scott back in here. Hold on a second. Because Scott, the fact is, it looks like this administration is thinking of making the same mistake made by the Obama-Biden administration, just when the the economy’s getting back on its feet. That’s when we get new taxes, new regulations. Of course, we’ve already had regulations in the energy field, but we could be suppressing take-off of the economy in twenty, twenty-two. We’ll see that initial phase this year because the whole all of the end of the lockdown is going to create a boom. But just as we’re getting back on our feet again, we could come down with the cost of doing business because of regs and taxes.

MARTIN: Yeah, it’s back to the “you didn’t build that days” from Obama. And that’s the scary thing, too. I think you have these small businesses that have actually made it through the government shutdown and the government force of closing them down because they knew better. And now these businesses that have made it through by the skin of their teeth, which is very, very small, by the way, they actually say now you’ve got to pay more because you actually made it. You know, you have to pay for all this malaise in this excess creation of spending that we’ve done, the American rescue plan that we didn’t need, that we needed, because the government shut everybody down, took away everybody’s liberty and told them what to do with their business, with their personal lives, because the government knew better. That’s the scary part. Brian’s right. He’s smarter than I am in the sense that you’re right, taxes are bad. Maybe it does make businesses more efficient in some way. But tax money, when the government says we know what to do with your money better than you do, that’s where I get worried and saying it’s tax money. It’s just a euphemism for them saying they’re gonna take it from ya.

ASMAN: There’s not a lot of skin on anybody’s teeth these days. That’s the bottom line. Brian, I wish we had more time, but we’ve run out, you guys are really terrific. Thanks very much for being here. Appreciate it.



CIO Scott Martin Interviewed on Fox Business News 3.12.21

Kingsview CIO Scott Martin discusses gold and the hedge against inflation, plus what’s happening with tech, restaurants and airlines.

Program: Making Money with Charles Payne
Date: 3/12/2021
Station: Fox Business News
Time: 2:00PM

CHARLES PAYNE: I’m going to bring in Gibbs Wealth Management’s Erin Gibbs, the Delancey Strategies president, Jared Levy and Kingsview Wealth Management CIO, also Fox Business contributor Scott Martin. Let me start with you, Erin, because I got to admit, you’ve been ahead of the crowd. You were on cyclical names. You talked about them a lot. And of course, now they are benefiting from an improving economy. But you can almost argue that some of them look like they’re getting expensive, and growth may be getting oversold. So are you making any adjustments yet?

ERIN GIBBS: No, I don’t see them as really turning or having any change in trend while they are getting more expensive and growth. I wouldn’t call it quite oversold just yet when you look at some of those valuations. But just taking example, one of my favorites, financials, the financial sector is still trading at a thirty percent discount to the S&P. Five hundred. And that historically is an extreme discount even in a low yield environment. We’re normally talking about a twenty percent discount, not thirty to forty. So I still don’t see this as overbought by any means. And there’s still room for it to grow.

PAYNE: All right Scott, a gusher of money coming in, it’s got to go somewhere, how do we get positioned for it?

SCOTT MARTIN: I think it goes to stocks, Charles, into Erin’s point, just to dovetail that we actually took some money from, say, weaken tech to the beaten up tech last week. And what that means, Charles, is looking at things like Square, looking at things like Invidia, DocuSign, Teladoc, things that got way blasted down, down a linear regression support lines, as well as things that just got, frankly, oversold on say, the RF side and the Mac D’s to get technical on you. And so those are areas, too, to your lead in there, Charles, where you I think you can start picking up some positions, and that’s what’s

going to make a good stock picker this year is waiting for those stocks, those high flyers from last year. Yes. To come back to you at a price level where you can take another bite.

PAYNE: You know, I’m inclined to agree with you that the – that the stay at home, the tech side of that probably way oversold. Someone, in fact, a third-tier firm, put a sell on Square today. So to your point, there on my watch list as well, Jared, how are you playing this?

JARED LEVY: You know, I like everything that Scottie said. You know, I think that the way I’m kind of spinning it is I’m looking for two things. A, I’m looking for sort of there’s transformational names, the maybe haven’t gotten all the love. You know, I’m liking Best Buy right here. They’re transforming into digital. We’ve got all this sort of pent-up potential in Consumers are now getting back to the streets. They’ve got savings. They’ve got cash in hand. They’ve got optimism on trying to play that. Also looking at Johnson and Johnson, a little defensive, but I don’t think people are taking the efficacy and convenience of their shot plus their every day, you know, sort of play to the consumer as seriously as they should. So I like those two names, you know, and that’s that’s what I’m kind of moving into here watching for some of the high flyers in Leisure. There has been a lot of big buying in like PEJ, which is an ETF to buy a lot of leisure, watch out on those names. I don’t know if I would be gobbling up here, I’d wait for a pullback.

PAYNE: It’s so weird too with Staples, right? I mean, they had a flash at the very beginning as a defensive place and then they have been totally under water. Let’s stick with this theme, though. The consumer we had sentiment numbers out this morning came in stronger than expected. It was powered by an almost ten percent spike in expectations. So we’re feeling more confident about six months down the road, in fact, the second-highest level since last March. In addition to that, L brands posted a strong financial result. They up their first-quarter guidance, almost doubled it to sixty-five cents from thirty-five. They’ve reinstated the dividend for the year. It’s going to be sixty cents. This company following Gap saying it’s going to be a huge year. Jared, I’ll go back to you. First, I’m going to take a victory lap because last year I was pounding the table. I told people to buy brick-and-mortar retail, and they have gone through the roof. In fact, I still own some Gap stores at thirteen. What about some of these other names? Because, again, it’s so crazy when Wall Street seems to be warming up.

A lot of these names have taken off to the point. You wonder if you missed it.

LEVY: Yeah, I think there is some room there. By the way, kudos on that call. I know you’ve made I know you’ve stuck with this one, and sometimes it’s hard to do right. I think what we’ve got to remember is this remember pent-up consumer demand. We just had a year of pretty rough times for a lot of retailers, a lot of brick and mortar guys that had to kind of reinvent themselves. So right now, you’ve got these lean, mean fighting machines that when the consumer returns to the normal buying levels or normal activity, a lot of them will flourish. I think you’ve got to look at a name by name basis. I think you need to be sort of, again, careful just going out and buying a retail ETF, you know, get the Macy’s of the world. I would watch a little bit some of the smaller plays that you were talking about. You know, Gap could be interesting. I think you just got to be a definite stock picker there. Just don’t go by brick-and-mortar retail. But I like the sector. I think it’s going to continue to perform generally well.

PAYNE: Erin, you know, a lot of people are gonna have alot of money burning a hole in their pockets. I mean, how how do you positioning for that?

GIBBS: So I’m still hesitant about a lot of the apparel retailers. I mean, I think Elle Brands is different because they had the bath and body which really helped them. But aside from that, when you get all your new clothes, you want to go out. So my idea more is looking at restaurants, look at Leisure, right? You get these new clothes. Darden Restaurants, a little more upscale. It’s not your fast food that we’ve been living off of. And so I think Darden Restaurants and those types of slow, fast food, family eating could really take off over the next six months.

PAYNE: Oh, I agree. I was trying to figure out a way to take this equipment out of this room and to the front lawn. That’s how beautiful it is outside and how eager it is. I want to get out there. Hey, Scott, let me ask you about Gold. There was a report out earlier this week. It’s not living up to the hype in terms of being a hedge against inflation. Is it time to reconsider some other hedge against this inflation story that won’t go away?

MARTIN: Yes, I believe it is, Charles, and, you know, I’ve been a Gold lover on Gold was great last year. I mean, Gold really helped out our portfolios as far as reducing volatility. So it did serve its purpose and now it’s just not doing

much. So there’s two things. One, I think that love is kind of going to Bitcoin, which obviously we’ve seen take off for Gold is kind of slumped. But I’ll tell you, man, if there’s real inflation out there and this is true, do inflation that’s coming down the pike here, stocks, stocks are going to be that hedge because you’re going to see the inflation pace pick up in stock prices. And so I think stocks here are good hedge against any inflation expectations that we have.

PAYNE: I got to ask all of you about this report out saying that stock pickers underperformed the market yet again, eleven straight years of lagging the S&P 500. I’ll go back to you on this first, Scott. I mean, what’s the argument for professional stock pickers?

MARTIN: Well, at least for ones like me, I hate to say it, but we actually did beat the market. So I don’t know who we are talking about. But you can go back on the tape, Charles. You know, I like something that Erin talked about because we talked about stuff like Darden Restaurants. We talked about stuff like Bloomin last year –we talked about Southwest Airlines. I said, I love Southwest Airlines. LUV is the ticker. So I don’t know how these stock pickers missed it. But you’ve got to stay with good themes and you have to be able to deal with volatility. I think on some of the stock pickers I’ve seen and looked into, they sell too early or they sell too late and they don’t hang on.

PAYNE: Jared, I got to tell you, I do find the data to be very suspicious, particularly last year, because the winners won big and the losers lost big. And I don’t see how some of these general funds could have beaten people who really just saw things like we talk about on this show every day. But what do you tell someone who says, well, maybe I should just buy a regular old ETF?

LEVY: There’s two bits of this, right, I mean, Scott, he’s right, you know, I look at my numbers, I look at a lot of my my colleagues numbers they’re doing great. Here’s the thing you got to remember, right, when markets are sort of straight up parabolic in one direction over a long period of time, everybody is a genius. All of my friends, all of my doctor buddies are out there like, dude, I’m killing in the markets. Yeah, you are because stocks did nothing but go up. Now, remember, as pros were diversifying, were buying insurance, we’re spending money on the just in cases and we’re also protecting ourselves for when the term does come, so some of that money, some of that upside might

be spent on protective measures. So I would think that’s the general theme, that as an investor, you got to think about. You know, if you put your money just in an ETF and let it sit there, be prepared, like Scotty said, for some volatility to wild ride, whereas the is going to massage that a little bit. And usually when markets are volatile, they will return that volatility then than the average.

PAYNE: That that reminds me of our old colleague here, John Stossel. He did a show once where he put a bunch of symbols on a dartboard and threw darts. And then at the end of the year, he said he outperformed the market, but he didn’t deal, Erin, with the emotions of it. You know, you buy Boeing, for instance. How many people have sold Boeing at a loss in the last year and now it’s through the roof again, the emotional part of this, I think a lot of people have to understand in hindsight, it looks easy.

GIBBS: It does, and I think part of it is is really sticking to our convictions and an understanding of the thematic changes, and certainly with the advent of ETFs, it is harder for managers to beat. And we’ve known that. The more ETF there are, the harder it is for active managers to beat. But when you look at the big changes years like two thousand nine, twenty ten, those are the years where active managers actually beat. Same with two thousand three, four and five. So when you see big thematic changes, those are the years where managers can really help and you look ahead and stick to their themes and beat the market.

PAYNE: And then last year and a half has been all about things, I’m telling you, I think I think only what less than sixty percent of the stocks in the S&P were winners last year. You really have to be spot on, Erin, Jared and Scott, thank you very much. And that’s why I had this conversation with you, because you all have amazing, impeccable track records.


CIO Scott Martin Interviewed on Fox Business News 3.5.21

Kingsview CIO Scott Martin discusses interest rates, “good” inflation and reinflating stocks after the stimulus.

Program: Making Money with Charles Payne
Date: 3/5/2021
Station: Fox Business News
Time: 2:00PM

CHARLES PAYNE: Investors want J. Powell to be the sledgehammer so badly yesterday, but instead some think he brought out a fiddle. OK, and the market did burn yesterday. It was down earlier this morning. Of course. You know what? It’s pretty obvious that people are on pins and needles now.

It is true that the Fed should not make policy based on Wall Street’s every need and all of the whining of Wall Street. But let’s not forget Jerome Powell, chairman of the Federal Reserve, sort of put the situation into place and now he’s paying the price. So is the market. Ironically, though, investors that were hoping for Operation Twist or some other things got nothing. And we’ve got some guests today who actually think that was the best medicine. Anyway, the whole affair right now feels like a swan song, but it may not be. So, don’t panic until you watch this show, because there’s a lot going on wit. the sell off. And as you can see, subsequent rebound. Maybe Jay Powell did the right thing after all. Maybe he should hold on to what he’s doing and maybe you should hold on to what you’re doing. On that note, I want to bring in two of my favorite guests, Rob LUNA, Scott Martin. And I got to tell you guys, let me start with you, Rob, because you were a little bit more bullish, I think than Scott the last time we spoke, this reaction from last week to yesterday, even today is resolved. What do you make of it?

ROB LUNA: I think it’s all really healthy, actually, Charles. I mean, if you look at the moving averages, we said last week we’re going to test the fifty. We did that. We saw the QQQ break below that. But you know what’s happening, Charles? If you look at some of the stocks and we said this, you’re going to have your leading stocks, your Facebook, Amazon went down to that two hundred today, bounced off that. And if you look at that, that’s when the market turned around. I think this is all really healthy. We need to wash out those we can in order to see that next move up.

PAYNE: And hey, you know, so, Scott, you’ve been a lot more conservative, if you will, about the market. And I know you know, it’s interesting because we go up usually in the Stairsteps and we come down in the elevator, and that’s when a guy like you would say, hey, you got to pay attention to those elevator ride sometimes. So, what are you feeling right now about the way the markets reacted, particularly to interest rates? OK, one point six, two percent on the 10 year. Still not the worst thing in the world.

SCOTT MARTIN: Not at all, and it’s surprising, Charles, to see the market react so terribly to that because we knew this was coming, I mean, maybe it came a little faster and say furious or if I may, than it was expected to be. But this isn’t a terrible thing. I mean, rates going up, rates normalizing, maybe a little inflation should be good for stocks. And I agree with Rob’s point. I mean, if you look at even beyond some of those big cap techs out there, Charles, I mean, look at the Twilio, the Snowflakes, the PayPal’s, the Squares, the Teladoc, the Zoom’s. I could go on. I mean, there’s a host of I mean, there’s a few dozen out there that have totally reversed today and balanced. I mean, I haven’t seen opportunity in tech like this since I was prom king in the 90s. That should tell you something. Yeah.

PAYNE: And that’s when everybody is excited about the calculator. Right. They had like five windows. So that was a long time ago. The Commodore the Commodore computer was reigning back then. All right. So, let’s talk about then the changes in portfolios. Right. You know, Scott pointed it out. People are being opportunistic, by the way, being opportunistic, buying dips has only worked since two thousand and nine. Rob have you made any changes today or in the last couple of sessions?

LUNA: No. You know, we’ve been I know you hate this, Charles, using the barbell, but let’s give people actionable strategies. Oh, look, look, look, look at the Aristocrat Index it’s helping people. And you beat me up, rightfully so about Chevron last year. But look, that paid off. We bought the dips on that. But what we’re doing now, we’re holding on to that Chevron position. But now it’s time to reload on some of these tech names. Like Scott said, Paypal, Zoom’s these are long term winners. You don’t get opportunities like this a lot. We like those names right here.

PAYNE: You know, here’s the thing, though, and listen, I’m in oil, I’m in it big, and I’ve been talking about the commodity supercycle, in fact, pounding the
table on it, you know, but now you’ve got this interesting thing, oil also getting a help from OPEC’s. There’s a little bit of a different story. But back to these potential opportunities, Scott. You know, for someone like you who has been relatively cautious, that’s obvious. You were waiting your time. So, what about this inflation scare? Is this overdone? I mean, yeah, of course, we know there is going to be some inflation, but is there enough to derail all of the amazing powder we’ve got from household spending to corporations to the jobs report this morning? I mean, to me, that should be a bigger macro story.

MARTIN: Yeah, the pattern is going to be fine and like everybody’s freaked about inflation, maybe going to war, like, I don’t know, two and a half, three percent, like, oh, my goodness. I mean, it’s so scary when if you look in past decades when inflation was a real problem, I mean, you’re pushing double digits in some cases, especially overseas. So, I mean, that’s not a concern. Like that’s actually good inflation. In fact, as the economy reopens, Charles, and maybe hopefully, I mean, God willing, we pull away from all this crazy stimulus we’re getting, which I think the market is telling you we don’t really need. I mean, that’s why rates, in my opinion, are going up so much. Maybe a little inflation could go actually a long way to kind of reinflate stocks a bit because they’re going to need a kick once we’re done with the stimulus and things like that. So, with respect to the inflation expectations, keep them coming as long as they don’t go crazy. And three percent inflation, if we get it, isn’t that bad.

PAYNE: You know, I always tell people we love when our paychecks inflate. We love when the value of our home inflates. We love when the value of our Tom Brady rookie card inflates. So, there’s not all inflation is not a four-letter word, right, Rob?

LUNA: No, it’s true. I mean, Scott’s right on with that. And we need some inflation. But you know what the next word is, right? Once we get this economy set, we’re setting the stage for a huge rally. It’s taxes. It’s regulation. Once you start hearing about that forty percent long term capital gains rate, that’s going to be our next worry that we’re going to have to overcome.

PAYNE: Well, I’m hoping that’s like November, December. So that’s it could be a long time.

So, both of you guys, before I let you go, then, do you see new market highs? And we pulled back, will Scott, we see new highs in the market, and will it be led by big tech?

MARTIN: Yes, I believe we will, Charles, and we’re going to get some help, as Rob said, from energy and industrials and some financials, too, which have not been there. See, that’s the cool thing that I think that’s happening with the market so far, let’s say this year. And as we’ve been waiting, like you said, Charles, to kind of put more money to work here on these pullbacks, we’re starting to get other areas of the market. And yes, I know they’re smaller than tech. I get it. You can save the emails to me on that health care as well. But you’re starting to get some help from other areas of the market that have completely lagged in the last couple, say, years. And that will help the overall breadth of the market stay strong long term here this year.

PAYNE: Gentlemen, I got to leave it there. You are two of the best. I feel so much strong. I feel strong, like bull after talking to you guys. Had to start. Started out very much. Have a great weekend. Thanks, guys. As of the barbell approaches.


CIO Scott Martin Interviewed on Fox Business News 3.5.21

Kingsview CIO Scott Martin talks about the transitory phase that is pushing around markets, inflation rates and great buying opportunities.

Program: Your World with Neil Cavuto
Date: 3/5/2021
Station: Fox Business News
Time: 4:00PM

NEIL CAVUTO: All right, sometimes good news is just good news, it can sometimes rattle the markets. It means higher interest rates today when all the dust settles because of that strong employment report that saw three hundred seventy-nine thousand jobs added to the economy, the unemployment rate dipping down to six-point two percent. It was enough to propel stocks up about 600 points. Interest rates have been back it up a little bit. But again, all of that has been in response to this strong economy and investors are juggling. Is that good or bad, especially if it means now we don’t need as generous stimulus and markets like stimulus. It’s a mess. It’s confusing. But right now, Scott Martin, an uncanny read of these markets and their manic ways can help explain what’s going on at the end of the day, the end of the week. Scott, it sounds like they were OK with the strong economy. They could live with that. They in fact, they welcome that pretty much. Right.

SCOTT MARTIN: It also looks like at the end of the week, Neil, I picked the wrong week to quit drinking because we needed it this week. I mean, the markets were all over the place. That’s a Lloyd Bridges reference, by the way, from airplane, not mine, so everybody just calm down

CAVUTO: But very good, very good, before you were born.

MARTIN: And there’s there’s more behind that where they came from. But, Neil, you’re right. I mean, the markets have been very schizophrenic this week because they’re dealing with higher interest rates because of all the debt we’re issuing to pay for all these stimulus plans. They’re dealing with the fact that, yes, I mean, my goodness, the economy is going to start breathing on its own for once in the last couple of years. And so, we’re excited about that, at least since covid started. And we are going to get some inflation as a result. Boys and girls, because of the growth. And so, we have to come to grips with kind of this transitory phase that is pushing around markets, scaring investors for sure. I mean, some of my clients were pretty freaked out yesterday. And as

we talked yesterday, great buying opportunity on the FBN show Cavuto Coast to Coast because of the fact that things were overdone yesterday, Neil. Today they got back to where they should be, I believe.

CAVUTO: Yeah, you pointed that out, but a lot of people don’t get FBN, I say they should demand it, but they miss that

MARTIN: But Demand it.

CAVUTO: Real quickly, Scott. Yeah, there we go. This notion that interests rates go higher when the economy starts humming like it has been, I guess the worry is that those rates could go a lot higher. Where are you on this?

MARTIN: They could go a little higher. I think they’re going to top out here maybe on the ten-year note, around two percent, a really good friend of mine and his wife in the late seventies. I think you know who this is Neil, bought a house where the mortgage rate on it for, I don’t know, twenty percent, what was it, seventeen I think — we could ask him right now. Your rates on your home, on your home mortgages aren’t bad. You’re saving rates were terrible. It’s not a lot to worry about.

CAVUTO: Thirteen and a half percent, I was a Nostradamus long before…

MARTIN: You thought you were a wiz… and we’re complaining about three percent rates maybe.

CAVUTO: Exactly. But it’s what you’re used to, right? The trend is what rattles folks. But Scott, well explained. I appreciate that, these kids today, Scott Martin, on all of that. In the meantime.